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Post by MercuryDon » 01 Nov 2011, 18:05

Noooo... One ... Only One ...... No...Can't....Won't...... Where is the moderator ... hate speach ????
68 427 GTE-XR7 Dk Blue/Dk Blue(1 of 3 Color/trim) C6 3.50TL
68 390 4V XR7G Dk Blue/Dk Blue w/Sunroof C6 3.25TL
69 428SCJ 4spd XR7 Conv't.White/Aqua 12K miles(1 of 1 with 4.30DL)
69 428CJ 4Spd Cyclone CJ Maroon/Blk 29K miles 3.50TL
68 390 4V Cyclone GT. Madras/White C6 3.00 (Introductory Show unit)
69 390 4Spd XR7 Sunroof Med.Lime/Dark Ivy 3.00
68 390 4V Cyclone GT White/Red C6 3.25
04 Cobra Conv't.4.6 DOHC Supercharged Blk/Grey 3.50TL
70 390 Javelin SST Big Bad Grn/Blk 700R4 4.10 Dana 44
98 Dakota R/T 5.9 Std Cab Blue/Grey(1 of 32) 3.91SG
71 Thunderbird 429 w/suicide doors Copper/Drk.Brn 2.75
06 Dodge SRT10. 11k miles 488 cube Viper V10. 505hp. 6 spd. 4.10SG

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Post by xr7g428 » 01 Nov 2011, 18:31

What was i thinking? LOL! Yeah one is never enough. But think about it if you could pick your dream Cougar what would it be?
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'68 XR7-G 390 4 speed, Sunroof, Cardinal Red
'68 XR7 GT-E 427 C6 AM Cardinal Red
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Post by Al Bundy » 01 Nov 2011, 21:00

I hate to give kind of a cop out answer, but I already have it. I guess my next choice would be Cougar 1. After that a Boss 302 Eliminator.
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1963 Thunderbird Z code - raven black/red
1968 XR7 F code - diamond blue/blue
1968 XR7 J code - black/red
1968 J code - madras blue/aqua
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Post by tmh » 01 Nov 2011, 21:59

My dream car would be a driver and would be exactly my car, '68 J code, black with no vinyl top, BUT, it would have a 5 speed manual trans and Eliminator style front and rear spoilers. The hood scoop I'm on the fence about.

I probably will actually take my Cougar to that setup over time, front spoiler first, and either manual trans or rear spoiler second, not sure yet.

My super ultimate unlimited resources dream car would be built from the ground up, total custom, and would have the '68 Cougar body but made of fiberglass or carbon fiber or maybe 1/16" powder coated aluminum. Powerball is at $245 million right now, so I'm sure I could happily dedicate $1m of that to making this car happen.

If I had a ridiculous amount of cash to throw around and had to limit myself to picking a Cougar that actually exists, I'd go for a '68 with a 428. Use it as a driver, not think twice about gas.

Yeah. Dream car in the real world though, maybe next year I'll buy the front spoiler.
'68 XR-7 J-Code C4, San Jose, Edelbrock 1406, PS, Front PDB, 8" rear 3.0, PS is leaky and sloppy, invisible fan shroud
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Post by MercuryDon » 01 Nov 2011, 22:17

I've already got one , You see !
68 427 GTE-XR7 Dk Blue/Dk Blue(1 of 3 Color/trim) C6 3.50TL
68 390 4V XR7G Dk Blue/Dk Blue w/Sunroof C6 3.25TL
69 428SCJ 4spd XR7 Conv't.White/Aqua 12K miles(1 of 1 with 4.30DL)
69 428CJ 4Spd Cyclone CJ Maroon/Blk 29K miles 3.50TL
68 390 4V Cyclone GT. Madras/White C6 3.00 (Introductory Show unit)
69 390 4Spd XR7 Sunroof Med.Lime/Dark Ivy 3.00
68 390 4V Cyclone GT White/Red C6 3.25
04 Cobra Conv't.4.6 DOHC Supercharged Blk/Grey 3.50TL
70 390 Javelin SST Big Bad Grn/Blk 700R4 4.10 Dana 44
98 Dakota R/T 5.9 Std Cab Blue/Grey(1 of 32) 3.91SG
71 Thunderbird 429 w/suicide doors Copper/Drk.Brn 2.75
06 Dodge SRT10. 11k miles 488 cube Viper V10. 505hp. 6 spd. 4.10SG

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Post by johnboy » 02 Nov 2011, 04:02

In your case, Don, it should read which one of yours would be LAST to go...
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Post by BAust » 03 Nov 2011, 11:31

I have thought about this having been a bit more active on the board and in the shop lately..

I can only add one very blunt point. The 427 is something that REALLY got the attention of the Big Boy Buyers at Barrett Jackson. They all know what a 428 CJ is and certainly respect those cars, but it was the engine in a GT-E that really puts it at a whole 'nuther level for the collectors that have multiple cars in their display showrooms(and mark my words, these guys have display SHOWROOMS)

I talked to about two dozen very very serious and wealthy buyers of all kinds of cars over the course of 2-4 days. These guys range from the very modest, shy but Rich type to the obnoxious ones holding a trophy wife with fur coat on their arm to the seasoned professional restorer/expert on all things Shelby (the buyer of my car hired one of these guys to survey the car).

They all know that the 427 is the pinnacle of Ford Racing History, and to find an original one in a factory car is something to behold. They didn't care about the specifics of XR-7/non XR-7, vinly top vs non vinly top, stick vs. auto, etc. etc. They simply wanted a car that is ready to go for their showroom. Period.

I'm not trying to sound like an expert or a 427 snob, but it is what it is..these guys proved it to me. They simply cared about an original 427 car in somewhat close to Concours condition. They were all very complimentary but they also were all very unsure of being able to buy the car for $150. They were all confident that it'd be a 150k car, but not sure how much more it could go for. The auction speed up to 150 showed that it was obvious to be the "goal" of all the bidders at that point. There were at least 3-4 guys bidding to that point. Who knows what would have happened if the auction was at 6-9pm. It might have gotten a bit crazy. Just a hunch..oh well.

Anyway, I just wanted to chime in because I got the sense that the 427 was the one motor that brings a Cougar up to the level of value that competes with the 426Hemi and the rarer 427 Chevys (those that are COPOs or popular convertible Corvettes, etc). The 428 is a great and rare motor, but there is no difficulty in finding this motor in a Cougar, quite frankly, for sale at any given time. The NASCAR and vintage racing history of the 426, the Chevy 427, and the Ford 427 just seem to be what puts these 3 into a value level that sets them apart.

Having said that, the convertible Cougar or Mustang 428CJ is very attractive because in the Cougar, especially, it is really rare and everybody loves a Convertible, especially at these auctions. Same goes for the Hemi 426 Verts..But the 427 in a Ford Pony Car is reserved for the GT-E and that's about it. This was a mystical thing that a lot of the Big Boy Buyers didn't even know about until January of last year. I spoke with at least 4 of these types. The buyer of my car didn't know about the GT-E and he is a Third-Generation Ford Dealer!

This was only the beginning..the awareness and jealousy of these collectors will continue to kick in when there are more GT-Es crossing these auction blocks. I highly recommend John Bauman puts his car into the ring. The XR-7 factor will only help, and there are more buyers out there. Of that I am very sure..

I'm not sure what my point is here..but it will be fun to watch what happens "next" in this exploration of the value of a GT-E. I'd really like to know myself just what an XR-7 badge does to an auction :o
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Post by Golly-G » 03 Nov 2011, 12:18

I totally agree with you Brian, I think a 427 GT-E should be at the top of the list. XR7 vs Standard sure wouldn't be a deal breaker by no means. Now if they would have put a 427 with a 4 speed in a XR7-G, to me that would be the ultimate.

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Post by tmh » 03 Nov 2011, 12:43

Again it comes down to on what basis are you rating the cars. If it's in terms of potential sale price, for sure the 427 XR-7 sunroof AC manual trans 8-track player etc etc car would be the most expensive. If the basis for rating them is as a car that you would drive around and all, I think the 428 is a winner over the 427 because it's more common. It's easier to find parts, right? And isn't the 427 more prone to having problems (I read that online anyway)?

So if the basis for judging is in the functioning of the car as a collector/sales piece, then sure the 427. But as a car you're going to drive and maintain, not keep in a trailer or showroom, then the 428 is a better choice, no?
'68 XR-7 J-Code C4, San Jose, Edelbrock 1406, PS, Front PDB, 8" rear 3.0, PS is leaky and sloppy, invisible fan shroud
'79 Bronco XLT 351m, C6, Edelbrock Performer 400 intake, Holley 6140, Howards cam, 4" suspension lift, 33x12.5x15 Duratracs, dana44 front and Ford 9" rear both 4.11 LSD, Warn hub locks, invisible fan shroud
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Post by Al Bundy » 04 Nov 2011, 16:09

I believe the 427 is the winner on both counts. I don't have anything against a 428, it would just be my 2nd choice. Am I a bit biased? Maybe. But driving a 427 to the car shows and rubbing the noses of all the Moostang guys in it, how could you beat that?

"Oh I'm sorry, what year did the Mustangs come with a 427? Oh that's right, they didn't!" :lol:
1974 Dodge Dart - daily driver
1963 Thunderbird Z code - raven black/red
1968 XR7 F code - diamond blue/blue
1968 XR7 J code - black/red
1968 J code - madras blue/aqua
1968 XR7 X code - lime frost/dark ivy gold
1968 GT-E XR7 W code prototype no. 500033 - cardinal red/black

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