Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Re: Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Post by guitar74 » 02 Jul 2017, 18:51

Yes I know there was no such thing as a boss 302 engine ever offered in a fox body. That wasn't my claim. I was talking about a black and gold 5.0 hatchback that was bought new from Courtesy Ford in Conyers GA That was a boss 302. Not unlike the 20th anniversary GT350 stangs that were sold that year. We still have the window sticker as well a the letter from the state of GA telling her to take the car back to the dealership for them to install air conditioning as they had charged her for it which she got installed for free. This car came from the dealership black with gold stripe just like a '70 boss with the BOSS 302 callouts. It also came with rear window louvres.

This car was also fuel injected, which a lot of people said couldn't be. But it was. I just need to dig everything out of our filing cabinet and our photo album and post everything, the b.o.s., letter from the state, and photos of the actual car.

When my wife told me about this car I too said there was no such thing. When she produced the window sticker, bill of sale, scanner alert letter from the state, and pics of her with, in, and in front of her '84 Boss I just sat there slack jawed. She also had a '71 1/2 notch back coupe 351 Cleveland.

MY point is that every bit of documentation she has on this car which she bought new and drove every day for 3 yrs. identifies it as a BOSS 302, not a 5.0 GT.

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Re: Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Post by 1967 S Code » 02 Jul 2017, 20:42

guitar74 wrote:
02 Jul 2017, 18:51
Yes I know there was no such thing as a boss 302 engine ever offered in a fox body. That wasn't my claim. I was talking about a black and gold 5.0 hatchback that was bought new from Courtesy Ford in Conyers GA That was a boss 302. Not unlike the 20th anniversary GT350 stangs that were sold that year. We still have the window sticker as well a the letter from the state of GA telling her to take the car back to the dealership for them to install air conditioning as they had charged her for it which she got installed for free. This car came from the dealership black with gold stripe just like a '70 boss with the BOSS 302 callouts. It also came with rear window louvres.

This car was also fuel injected, which a lot of people said couldn't be. But it was. I just need to dig everything out of our filing cabinet and our photo album and post everything, the b.o.s., letter from the state, and photos of the actual car.

When my wife told me about this car I too said there was no such thing. When she produced the window sticker, bill of sale, scanner alert letter from the state, and pics of her with, in, and in front of her '84 Boss I just sat there slack jawed. She also had a '71 1/2 notch back coupe 351 Cleveland.

MY point is that every bit of documentation she has on this car which she bought new and drove every day for 3 yrs. identifies it as a BOSS 302, not a 5.0 GT.
It will be cool to see the paperwork and photos. That is always key for verification of special cars.
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Re: Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Post by CougarCJ » 02 Jul 2017, 20:46

Probably a dealer or regional, promotional package.
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Re: Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Post by guitar74 » 03 Jul 2017, 04:22

That has sort of been my opinion. I told my wife no such car existed, and boy did she prove me wrong.

The fi system she described to me would have been the old central fuel injection which I had on a tbird. So for her it was fast, but I got my behind handed to my by an 83 1/2 GT stang with the factory four barrel. HUGE difference above 3,000 rpm.

Anyhow, I digress. I will be rifling through years of paperwork to dig this up because I made her keep all of it. Know the car ended up in Toccoa GA. I saw a couple that looked like the type that would mow their lawn and find a car driving it so I am sure it is either in a junk yard, or sitting broke down in someone's lawn (if you buy a black and gold boss graphiced fox stang that spent time in north Georgia pm me with the vin and DO NOT assume that it was done by a p.o.).If I had known her back then, she would still have that car and this conversation would be a little different. More like "who did the boss graphics on your GT?" :lol:

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Post by Local Hero » 18 Jul 2017, 20:17

All right! I finally have some updated pictures of my Wagon project. When they say, they're never really "done, " this is the car they're referring to.

I'm STILL messing with this thing and have a short list of projects to check off the list before I consider it done... or at least as far as I'm going to go. Those are: 1. Replace the clogged heater core. I don't need a heater in the middle of July in Cleveland, so that's been dropped to the bottom of the list. 2. Fix the gas gauge. This problem alone is going to be the end of me. I've replaced EVERY SINGLE COMPONENT of the fuel level system and still cannot get an accurate reading on either gas gauge. That's correct. There are TWO installed right now and neither one is right. :wall:
3. Rebuild the third carb that has been on this engine. The first (that came with the car) was junk and missing a bunch of parts. The second worked perfectly until I had to rebuild the transmission. I know... totally unrelated. But it would never idle below 2,000 after that and I never touched the carb. The carb on there now sat on the shelf for YEARS after going through a fire under the hood of my Buddy's Street Rod. He replaced it and gave it to me about 10 years ago. I only bolted it on and set the idle and it's running really good other than a little bit of acceleration pump hesitation.

For those not familiar with the "Buddy Buggy," a little backstory will bring you up to date. I was on the lookout for a G-Body Wagon because I have a lot of spare parts in inventory that fit mid-sized GMs. This one popped up locally on Craigslist. It was a semi-finished project which ran and drove that the guy was building for his son. The son lost interest in the car, school, or even getting a job. So the father offed the car. Most think it's a Chevy Malibu but instead it's a Buick Regal. I saw a freshly rebuilt SBC, freshly rebuilt Turbo 400, fresh custom bent Flowmaster exhaust system and a California body as VERY inviting. All of the hard and expensive work was done. I just had to tie up a few loose ends and wrap it up. It would become the perfect car to replace my current beater as my go-to mode of transport to haul the Two Terrors and their Buddies along with our Golden Retriever (AKA: Buddy) to their sports practices and events and then become my winter driver. The P.O.'s claimed limited-slip rear would help in that department. It ended up not being limited slip, but that was the least of my worries at that point.

This project was doomed from the start. I didn't follow my own advice. I didn't buy the best car I could for the money. Instead I bought my first and now LAST half-finished project. I got it last November with the goal of wrenching throughout the winter and having it ready for Spring baseball season.

Then in January I learned that my company where I worked for the last 25 years was killing off my department in favor of outsourcing it to London. So now I had time, but couldn't spend any money. I had to scrounge from parts I had in stock or worse yet, steal from the current beater while continuing to drive it.

Here are some of the things I had to deal with:

-Cleanup all the spaghetti wiring in the engine bay. Ditto for all the underhood plumbing.
-Replace the hacked up floor shifter he already installed with one that allowed the speedometer cable to be hooked back up and allow for a neutral safety switch.
-Get all interior cleaned up including remounting the front seats correctly and the interior and exterior lights working.
-Replace the wheels with something that actually fit correctly on the car that didn't need all kinds of coil spring spacers, wheel adapters and specialized lug nuts. (I know a lot of guys hate the wheels. But I had them and the tires have a lot left in them and they fit.)
-Remount the radiator, swap out the solid fan, remount the power steering pump, replace all missing chassis and body ground straps
-Change out the smashed transmission pan, replace engine oil dipstick that would not go in, replace oil pan gasket and rear main seal

Upon driving it around I quickly learned that the 3:73 rear ratio was WAY too steep for the 1:1 final drive in the trans. Also the trans wouldn't shift right. There was a horrendous vibration at anything over 45 mph. I ended up going back through the trans with a new converter. P.O. didn't have it seated right and it wiped out the pump. So much for not spending any money. :evil: I also ended up swapping out the entire rear axle from 3:73 to 2:41s. It was cheaper to replace the whole thing than reconfigure what I had. The vibration was a dented and unbalanced driveshaft that was cut to make the Turbo 400 fit. But it was cut too short. So a completely new driveshaft was made.

The ride now rivals that of my Delta 88. For obvious reasons, I had to stop short of any body and paintwork. Instead I touched up the rust blisters with white Rustoleum on a foam brush. Then I sanded and buffed the whole car. I capped it off with a roof rack off an Olds Vista Cruiser that I had to cut down to fit. Thanks for looking.
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Re: Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Post by Local Hero » 18 Jul 2017, 20:18

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Post by Local Hero » 18 Jul 2017, 20:19

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Re: Time to come clean / spill the beans

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Post by mo2872 » 19 Jul 2017, 07:37

The Budmobile lives!!!

Looks good, IMO.

Except for those wheels......gaaaah.....why would you have EVER spent money on those.....heaven forbid you ever put them on the Hero!!!! :poke:
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Post by Local Hero » 19 Jul 2017, 08:27

mo2872 wrote:
19 Jul 2017, 07:37
The Budmobile lives!!!

Looks good, IMO.

Except for those wheels......gaaaah.....why would you have EVER spent money on those.....heaven forbid you ever put them on the Hero!!!! :poke:
Listen.....if you were even remotely involved with cars back in the 80s and 90s you would know that those wheels were THE CAT'S ASS back in 1991 when I bought them. The fact that the tires are like new now and I have no money to spend is more than justification. Add in that they also nail the stance is something that even you could learn from.

So there,....... :hand:
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Post by R Code » 19 Jul 2017, 08:42

Congrats on getting the Budmobile this far Mark. I know it's tough & stressful to be the family breadwinner, especially in times of transition. Hopefully things are easing up for you on that front. I also can appreciate how hard it is to keep all the family cars running on a shoestring while meeting current obligations and staring down multiple college tuitions in the near term (Retirement? What's that?)

Given all this, I'd normally be the LAST guy to make fun of those wheels, but they were not cool in the 80's/90's either (sorry no one told you). Best thing you can do now is paint them flat black. OR, just wait a few months, when you'll no doubt be swapping on some steelies/Blizzaks to deal with winter's wrath.
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